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  • #124121

    washere
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    There are Hierarchical Node / SubNode Levels in the left panel.

    In the main editor panel on the right, it is just a text editor, notepad class type editor.

    If the right panel can also have Hierarchical Node/SubNode Levels, it will take this app to a whole new level and potential.

    Of course the right panel can stay as is but if pressing (new) top icon buttons, we could be able to insert nodes/subnodes just like the left panel.

    In fact the current top buttons for inserting new nodes/subnodes can be made to function for the right panel if the cursor focus is in the right panel. And they can continue to manipulate the left panel nodes/subnodes if the cursor focus is in the left panel as it functions now.

    Here is a shot from the MinimaList app for android with simple nodes/subnodes:

    MinimaList

    Alternatively, if you want, you can have new buttons under editor panel to create new nodes/subnodes and 4 buttons (< indent (sub)node left, > indenet right, ^ Move up, v Move down) also under editor panel. If you do not want to assign current top buttons for left panel to right editor panel nodes, then the buttons under Halna editor page (< > ^ V etc) show how it can be done;

    Halna

    IF we can have nodes/subnodes within editor panel too, then CherryTree becomes a huge success.

    The current dumb notepad editor status will remain as default within right panel, and when pressing buttons it should create nodes/subnodes within it wherever. So a mix of dumb notepad type paragraphs (as is now) peppered with nodes/subnodes where desired, will be possible, or just plain text (as is now), or just nodes/subnodes within right panel, whatever the user wants.

    Ref.s:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.toadlybroodledev.sublist
    .
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.blogspot.halnablue.HalnaOutliner

    #124122

    treehouse
    Member

    Hi washere,

    it will take this app to a whole new level and potential

    With respect, I disagree. I can’t see any particular advantage of having a node tree in two panels. Perhaps you can. On the contrary, this kind of feature is the sort of thing that can ruin an app by making it more complicated and confusing to use. If the second tree is just a copy of the first, I can’t see any point. If it’s a sort of whole sub-tree at a lower level, it means data within it can get lost (from the user’s notice, I mean) until its parent within the main tree is navigated to.

    I’m almost certain it would involve a significant increase in complexity, size and resource-use of the program. I find CherryTree powerful and pretty fast, but it’s a fair size, and wouldn’t want it to be bigger and slower without really clear gains. Can you say what those would be?

    #124123

    philippHRO
    Member

    No, just no.

    IF we can have nodes/subnodes within editor panel too, then CherryTree becomes a huge success.

    It would be it’s end. Such a feature is not needed, because it limits the users visibility of his data. In ordner to find certain text/data, that resides in a subnode in the editor frame (right side), you would first have to find this exact node in the nodeframe (left side).

    There is no practical reason to arrange nodes like that. It’s far easier to create those nodes in the node-frame in the first place.

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    #124126

    washere
    Member

    Hi phillipHRO,

    No, just no.

    IF we can have nodes/subnodes within editor panel too, then CherryTree becomes a huge success.

    It would be it’s end. Such a feature is not needed, because it limits the users visibility of his data. In ordner to find certain text/data, that resides in a subnode in the editor frame (right side), you would first have to find this exact node in the nodeframe (left side).

    There is no practical reason to arrange nodes like that. It’s far easier to create those nodes in the node-frame in the first place.

    Wrong,

    1) I don’t think you are very familiar with CherryTree or similar class of apps. As it was in your request to implement image paste when it is a basic as most find out within minutes and pointed out to you.

    2) Search not possible within nodes on the right unless specifying nodes to search in the left panel? What do I say? There are numerous note taking apps like Cherrytree that do global search. Not to mention outliner wares, wiki wares, calendar wares, project apps, etc etc, including as I said MANY NOTE TAKING SOFTWARE IN THE SAME CLASS AS CHERRYTREE as I said. IS this a challenge to dev? Child play as any half decent coder will state re: global search. Basics of coding but not everyone is one, nior an advanced or even intermediate user.

    3) Thirdly your post is quite self defeating for the simple reason that if you do not want nodes/subnodes, no one is forcing it down your throat. That app remains as is with a mere dumb notepad object class as currently plugged in. In simplest term, you won’t have to insert nodes on the right panel.

    Have a good evening.

    Thank you for your post.

    #124128

    washere
    Member

    Hi treehouse,

    Hi washere,

    it will take this app to a whole new level and potential

    With respect, I disagree. I can’t see any particular advantage of having a node tree in two panels. Perhaps you can. On the contrary, this kind of feature is the sort of thing that can ruin an app by making it more complicated and confusing to use. If the second tree is just a copy of the first, I can’t see any point. If it’s a sort of whole sub-tree at a lower level, it means data within it can get lost (from the user’s notice, I mean) until its parent within the main tree is navigated to.

    I’m almost certain it would involve a significant increase in complexity, size and resource-use of the program. I find CherryTree powerful and pretty fast, but it’s a fair size, and wouldn’t want it to be bigger and slower without really clear gains. Can you say what those would be?

    Just because you “don’t see any point” in it does not mean others do not either. Not everyone uses it as you, everyone uses it differently so we need to be more open to others and not just oneself. Now to the details.

    You basically make 2 statements which are not relevant. Here is why:

    1) Lets say currently Cherytree is one dimensional, with nodes/subnoes in the left panel. Adding nodes/subnodes to the right panel makes it multi dimensional. Anyone with some imagination can see how this expands it’s current horizons into new potentials and huge possibilities. IF you do not see it and say it is useless and destructive, then you are saying single node panels with a dumb notepad editor object plugged in is ideal and all the wares with 2, OR MORE PANELS, able to insert nodes/subnodes are idiots including their devs and users. Not so my friend, not so.

    There are numerous wares out there and I myself have tested about 150 wares/apps on various OS platforms for note taking, outliners with nodes (like Cherrytree), etc etc as in mentioned in my post above. I mentioned about ten or so in the other thread I started. I could say more about others I use, which is about 30 on various platforms, but I noticed there is no spirit of sharing experiences and tips as such here yet. Nor replies. So I stopped writing about various wares/apps I use, and why each is good for a particular set of intents. Saves me time too. I have quite a selection of nippy fast small faves, as I am sure you do too, but maybe this forum is not the place to share. NVM.

    If you say a single node pane with a dumb notepad object is the end of note taking human quest, what can I say. There are numerous teams, companies, persons using multi node panels and not all of them are morons. Quite opposite, they achieve a lot, fast. Anyway this end of note taking civilization is just your view, and forcing it on the world is irrelevant.

    2) Faster, smaller etc. I know what you mean bud. I often obsess about this if an app is good. However, most of the objects are already plugged in for the nodes/subnodes in the left pane anyway.

    3) If you try to keep cherrytree as is for ever, so it does not change and never has other features? Then your fight is with:
    i) The dev
    ii) All other posters here who have requested features
    iii) Time and evolution
    iv) Basic logic, life cycles and process of software management and development

    You might as well tell everyone who has requested features on this forum, and every other wares you like to stay as small/fast as possible, to basically shut the hell up and get lost. But we all know that is not how reality works. No one can tell devs to stop developing features and merely debug. Lets be considerate of others, not to mention the real world.

    4) Why the big melodrama? It is just about indented bullet points really. As in anything just above the most dumb notepad type object. Even move up or down (^ v) buttons are not necessary as can simply copy/paste. And for indenting the bullet point in (right or lower) or out (left or higher level): a simple extra TAB key (or delete TAB) does that in anything just above the dumbest class of text editors. I am not asking for quantum physics here. It is the most basic of features.

    5) If cherrytree does go beyond one dimensional and fulfills it’s potential by becoming multi-dimensional, you will not need to be unhappy: Just do not insert nodes/subnodes in the right panel. No one will force you to.

    Thanks for your post. Have a good week.

    #124129

    treehouse
    Member

    Hi washere,
    I feel you are being extremely defensive about this, indeed quite insulting.

    Just because you “don’t see any point” in it does not mean others do not either. Not everyone uses it as you, everyone uses it differently so we need to be more open to others and not just oneself.

    When you use quotation marks, kindly quote the person you’re trying to quote. I didn’t say I “don’t see any point”, I said “I can’t see any particular advantage. Maybe you can. Can you say what those (gains) are?”, beginning all this with “With respect”. This, I feel, is me being “open to others and not just oneself”, and trying to engage in conversation, asking you to explain what the advantage is that you see. I feel perfectly entitled to disagree with you respectfully and express my reasons. If you can’t, that’s your problem.

    1) Lets say currently Cherytree is one dimensional, with nodes/subnoes in the left panel. Adding nodes/subnodes to the right panel makes it multi dimensional. Anyone with some imagination can see how this expands it’s current horizons into new potentials and huge possibilities.

    I consider a tree structure to be multi-dimensional. I have not grasped yet, perhaps because you have not described yet, how having two of them side by side adds a dimension. If it repeats the same tree nodes, it doesn’t add any dimension. If you mean that each node in the main tree becomes the root node of its own tree, allowing additional nodes, this is equivalent to simply extending the same tree. You don’t seem to have described what you mean. You say people who don’t see the huge possibilities have no imagination, which may be true. Excuse my lack of imagination, if so. I’m not sure you’ve shared even one of these possibilities. What are they?

    I can imagine a method that could be said to add “dimensions” beyond a tree structure, in which a separate tree collates data from across the original tree, like a nested structure of tags. You may know that WikidPad has something like this. However, it still puts these collections in nodes in the main tree (or they can be listed, I believe, in the editor).

    IF you do not see it and say it is useless and destructive, then you are saying single node panels with a dumb notepad editor object plugged in is ideal and all the wares with 2, OR MORE PANELS, able to insert nodes/subnodes are idiots including their devs and users. Not so my friend, not so.

    No, I’m not saying it’s “useless and destructive”, I’m asking you to tell me how it would be useful. No, I am not “saying that single node panels with dumb editor object plugged in is ideal”. For a start, CT’s editor is not a “dumb editor object”, but allows various forms of text formatting, tables, code boxes, images, etc., to be manipulated. It’s a WYSIWYG rich text editor, which to my mind is pretty damned smart. And my opinions do not imply that “devs and users” of any other software are “idiots”.

    most of the objects are already plugged in for the nodes/subnodes in the left pane anyway.

    Yes, some of the programming is already there, but just to show the exact same output in two windows would require additional code. Since I don’t know what you want CT to do, it’s hard to say how much more than this would be needed. It would obviously be more, however.

    3) If you try to keep cherrytree as is for ever, so it does not change and never has other features? Then your fight is with:
    i) The dev
    ii) All other posters here who have requested features
    iii) Time and evolution
    iv) Basic logic, life cycles and process of software management and development

    No, this is very poor logic. Guiseppe has a long published list of changes to make in future. I have a wish list of my own. If I wanted a fixed program I’d have chosen one that isn’t being developed anymore. I don’t have a “fight” with any of those.

    4) Why the big melodrama?

    I’ve no idea.

    It is just about indented bullet points really. As in anything just above the most dumb notepad type object.

    CherryTree’s smart WYSIWYG rich text editor already has bullet points nested in several levels.

    Even move up or down (^ v) buttons are not necessary as can simply copy/paste. And for indenting the bullet point in (right or lower) or out (left or higher level): a simple extra TAB key (or delete TAB) does that in anything just above the dumbest class of text editors. I am not asking for quantum physics here. It is the most basic of features.

    Unless I’m misunderstanding your request, it seems to me CT already has all these features for editing items in the tree. You can just drag and drop chunks of the tree either to other nodes (adding the chunk as sub-nodes of it) or in between siblings anywhere on the tree. There are also menu items and hotkeys for up/down etc. And you can put some of these on the toolbar as buttons, too. Maybe you should read the help file or spend some time trying things.

    5) If cherrytree does go beyond one dimensional and fulfills it’s potential by becoming multi-dimensional, you will not need to be unhappy: Just do not insert nodes/subnodes in the right panel. No one will force you to.

    No, they won’t. And if someone explained to me what advantage they provide over adding nodes/subnodes in the left panel, I might use them.

    Incidentally, it might be better to say “main tree” and think up some other term for what you want, since the tree can be located to the right of the smart WYSIWYG rich text editor.

    Cheers

    #124130

    washere
    Member

    Hi treehouse,

    Hi washere,
    I feel you are being extremely defensive about this, indeed quite insulting.

    Just because you “don’t see any point” in it does not mean others do not either. Not everyone uses it as you, everyone uses it differently so we need to be more open to others and not just oneself.

    When you use quotation marks, kindly quote the person you’re trying to quote. I didn’t say I “don’t see any point”, I said “I can’t see any particular advantage. Maybe you can. Can you say what those (gains) are?”, beginning all this with “With respect”. This, I feel, is me being “open to others and not just oneself”, and trying to engage in conversation, asking you to explain what the advantage is that you see. I feel perfectly entitled to disagree with you respectfully and express my reasons. If you can’t, that’s your problem.

    1) Lets say currently Cherytree is one dimensional, with nodes/subnoes in the left panel. Adding nodes/subnodes to the right panel makes it multi dimensional. Anyone with some imagination can see how this expands it’s current horizons into new potentials and huge possibilities.

    I consider a tree structure to be multi-dimensional. I have not grasped yet, perhaps because you have not described yet, how having two of them side by side adds a dimension. If it repeats the same tree nodes, it doesn’t add any dimension. If you mean that each node in the main tree becomes the root node of its own tree, allowing additional nodes, this is equivalent to simply extending the same tree. You don’t seem to have described what you mean. You say people who don’t see the huge possibilities have no imagination, which may be true. Excuse my lack of imagination, if so. I’m not sure you’ve shared even one of these possibilities. What are they?

    I can imagine a method that could be said to add “dimensions” beyond a tree structure, in which a separate tree collates data from across the original tree, like a nested structure of tags. You may know that WikidPad has something like this. However, it still puts these collections in nodes in the main tree (or they can be listed, I believe, in the editor).

    IF you do not see it and say it is useless and destructive, then you are saying single node panels with a dumb notepad editor object plugged in is ideal and all the wares with 2, OR MORE PANELS, able to insert nodes/subnodes are idiots including their devs and users. Not so my friend, not so.

    No, I’m not saying it’s “useless and destructive”, I’m asking you to tell me how it would be useful. No, I am not “saying that single node panels with dumb editor object plugged in is ideal”. For a start, CT’s editor is not a “dumb editor object”, but allows various forms of text formatting, tables, code boxes, images, etc., to be manipulated. It’s a WYSIWYG rich text editor, which to my mind is pretty damned smart. And my opinions do not imply that “devs and users” of any other software are “idiots”.

    most of the objects are already plugged in for the nodes/subnodes in the left pane anyway.

    Yes, some of the programming is already there, but just to show the exact same output in two windows would require additional code. Since I don’t know what you want CT to do, it’s hard to say how much more than this would be needed. It would obviously be more, however.

    3) If you try to keep cherrytree as is for ever, so it does not change and never has other features? Then your fight is with:
    i) The dev
    ii) All other posters here who have requested features
    iii) Time and evolution
    iv) Basic logic, life cycles and process of software management and development

    No, this is very poor logic. Guiseppe has a long published list of changes to make in future. I have a wish list of my own. If I wanted a fixed program I’d have chosen one that isn’t being developed anymore. I don’t have a “fight” with any of those.

    4) Why the big melodrama?

    I’ve no idea.

    It is just about indented bullet points really. As in anything just above the most dumb notepad type object.

    CherryTree’s smart WYSIWYG rich text editor already has bullet points nested in several levels.

    Even move up or down (^ v) buttons are not necessary as can simply copy/paste. And for indenting the bullet point in (right or lower) or out (left or higher level): a simple extra TAB key (or delete TAB) does that in anything just above the dumbest class of text editors. I am not asking for quantum physics here. It is the most basic of features.

    Unless I’m misunderstanding your request, it seems to me CT already has all these features for editing items in the tree. You can just drag and drop chunks of the tree either to other nodes (adding the chunk as sub-nodes of it) or in between siblings anywhere on the tree. There are also menu items and hotkeys for up/down etc. And you can put some of these on the toolbar as buttons, too. Maybe you should read the help file or spend some time trying things.

    5) If cherrytree does go beyond one dimensional and fulfills it’s potential by becoming multi-dimensional, you will not need to be unhappy: Just do not insert nodes/subnodes in the right panel. No one will force you to.

    No, they won’t. And if someone explained to me what advantage they provide over adding nodes/subnodes in the left panel, I might use them.

    Incidentally, it might be better to say “main tree” and think up some other term for what you want, since the tree can be located to the right of the smart WYSIWYG rich text editor.

    Cheers

    Insulting? Read your post. It is both:

    * Uncivil and full of insults
    * Total sophistry + self contradictions (within & re earlier post) + outright lies

    1) You do not see any advantages, vs. points, means you only see things from your POV. Anyone who is honest can see adding a major feature gives extra advantages. Question of whether adding that particular feature or not, is different. You basically say because you do not see the advantage, in your self’s case, there are none. I pointed out about how many apps have nodes in multi panels. If you say they are all morons, devs users companies govs etc, then it shows how you think, and act by ignoring points put to you a few times. I suggest that others’ POV is not to be dismissed. We are all human and trying to emapathise, care and not be self centred all-the-time. If something is not to one’s liking but suits some others, one should not dismiss other people, ignore blatant points and engage in basic falsehood. That is the definition of self centred psychopaths and sociopaths, which I think you are not.

    2) IF you say adding nodes/subnodes to 2nd pane does not add dimensions, nor extra potentials, then everyone can see how your words operate. Maybe studying matrices in a top university for a few years helps and I assumed wrong that everyone gets it, but I think even the least mathematically numerate person can see how it DOES add extra dimensions.

    To say the least. Each node on the left can be a meganote, and within the nodes on the right we can STRUCTURE just like the left side into numerous multi dimensional combinations. etc etc. As is, stays limited wrt that.

    3) The editor allows image pasted. What is the big panic you have about nodes or indented bullet points any non-dumb editor has? Is it psychological

    4) The, big chunk, object classes are plugged in already despite what you say as I said before. You say extra code is extra size and hence forbidden, for your personal “advantage” again, never mind the rest of humanity. Really? Becomes too big of a code?

    5) Then you say of course not all future features are bad and size does not matter.

    You contradict yourself on both points on this page, yet again.

    6) If it has all the features I want plugged in, why not give the option of having them as nodes/subnodes? Which you fight nail and tooth? Which you say does not need incorporating? Which is it? You say contradictory things again.

    7) There are more to say but time about your illogical arguments on this little app but time is short and as I said, if you do not like a feature, no one will come and force you to use it.

    Good luck to you.

    #124131

    treehouse
    Member

    washere,
    If you believe that I am insulting and telling outright lies, etc., I probably can’t persuade you otherwise. I think it would be futile for us to argue further. I also do not wish to distract you from your petition for this additional feature. I would wish you luck getting what you want, but it would be hypocritical, as I don’t want that feature to be added, unless perhaps I have misunderstood what it is and suddenly have an ‘aha!’ moment. I think your chances are slim, although only Giuseppe can be the arbiter of that. On the home page he has this list of todos:

    • open several cherrytree files (notebooks) at the same time with tabs (all in the same window-single instance)
    • cut copy and paste nodes
    • option to edit pictures with external editor
    • user defined text style (font, bold, color,…)
    • option to set the max line length/max page width
    • spreadsheet node
    • opportunity for a node to have columns
    • allow drag n drop of images and files to cherrytree
    • add the word counter for a node/the whole tree
    • allow to open a formatting tag for future text
    • better table export to html (respect column width, text align, single line border)
    • do not truncate codebox width in export to html
    • export to html: option to have different color background for the tree
    • export to html: option to have the nodes to collapse/expand
    • numbered lists: double space after one digit numbers to be aligned with 2 digits numbers
    • option to make text double-spaced
    • save datetime creation and last datetime modification for every node. Also ability for search in nodes filtered by datetime creation/modification and view a list of nodes created/modificated in an interval
    • export a node with its subnodes to .odt
    • utility (dialog) where it’s possible to see all the tags (tree of the only tags) plus statistics about the tags
    • in code nodes allow compile/execute/code completion
    • possibility to set up custom properties for h1,h2,h3 (color, style…)
    • more options for the tables (automatic expand the table to the width of the screen)
    • import from pdf
    • export to LaTeX
    • utility to insert formulas (using LaTex that converts to png or something else))
    • option to have the font in nodes names decrease automatically proportionally to the node depth
    • selecting a set of text (e.g. space separated) and create a table with it or paste text into a table
    • customizable menus font size
    • add crop capability to image resize dialog
    • multiple selection of nodes for move and delete
    • opportunity to have multiple nodes point to the same data (many node-views pointing to the same node-data)
    • option to sort text rows by selection
    • cherrytree for android
    • improve the numbers handling in nodes sorting
    • option to display hierarchy in node name header
    • option to print node name/hierarchy with a menu/shortcut
    • option to enable tooltips over nodes names in the tree
    • option to have 2 views of the same node content (maybe multiple codeboxes with a single content)
    • allow to select text and edit equivalent html in a dialog, then insert html from dialog to text
    • symlinks not selectable in file open dialog on windows os
    • proxy support (for copy/paste from web browser)
    • export to epub
    • option to use double click to visit links
    • strip leading and trailing empty spaces when applying a list type to selected text, option to ensure trailing char (e.g. “;”)
    • option to skip codeboxes and tables when pasting when pasting from web page
    • option to call a script at autosave time
    • bug: replace text in node but not tables/codeboxes
    • option to recall latest find and replace patterns
    • export to markdown
    • option to insert tags also in text maybe with shortcuts
    • import from iPython notebook
    • more headings (h4 and h5)
    • multiple rows selection for cut/copy/paste/delete in tables
    • option in export to txt of multiple nodes to save hierarchically creating subfolders
    • dedicated and configurable font for plain text
    • preserve text alignment in print/export to pdf
    • option to link to a node + a line number
    • export/import text with indentation, each tab marking a level
    • pick existing formatting from the text below the cursor and use the formatting elsewhere
    • add option to send VACUUM to the sqlite database
    • allow coloured text in table cells
    • configurable auto-close of document after set time of inactivity
    • possibility to execute using python mathematical expression in node (writing expression and result)
    • add one or more custom commands to be executed on the selected text
    • support for Right-to-Left languages (lost in export to HTML and PDF)
    • add possibility to automatically have navigation links at the bottom of nodes like in the manual
    • handle link to email address and link to thunderbird mails like thunderlink://messageid=…
    • dialog with find matches not modal but maybe below
    • option to have borders around the images in image properties
    • bug: sort doesn’t work right with German umlauts (öäüÖÄÜ)
    • node comments optionally printable
    • add a command to make the first table row become the header automatically
    • option to display the linked images
    • link to the download section with the notification of new version available
    • optionally include the node title/tags in the nodes content search
    • user could define both the foreground and the background color of selected text
    • auto-height for code boxes from selected text
    • export to html single document similar to treepad export for outliner (android) import
    • if there is nothing to save, make the save button grey/insensitive
    • move deleted nodes to a trash node rather than erase forever
    • creation of links using drag-n-drop of files, folders & web addresses
    • improve tree info dialog with clickable list and location of objects (in particular embedded files)
    • preserve history of visited nodes (fw/bw arrows) between sessions
    • add configurable option to swap Ctl+V and Ctrl+Shift+V (default plain or rich)
    • support inserting image from the internet (e.g. http://www.giuspen.com/icons_submenu/bug.png), not only from local disk
    • support for links in table cells
    • one or more user definable strings optionally colored that the user can quickly insert with right click
    • import from one note
    • validate internal links for broken/auto-mark if broken
    • option to overwrite existing exported html folder, do not change name
    • improve bookmarks allowing to group into folders
    • possibility to define header and footer for the exported pdf
    • bookmarks icons same as node icon
    • possibility to set custom font for a node
    • possibility to hide the codebox with an expander

    If by any chance he does not want to implement your idea, please remember that it is freeware that he is offering, without adverts, without nag screens, without badgering users for donations, and AFAIK without a team of software engineers. I’m sure he won’t be calling other devs and users of multi-panel editors “morons” either. To be honest, that todo list is so long I don’t think I’ve every actually had the concentration to read it all. Maybe your idea is already on it. 😉

    Bye.

    #124132

    washere
    Member
    #124164

    washere
    Member

    I just found out two other new editors that do this. Of course among my several most used apps I am using more and more a few which have richer environment editor panes like “My Notes Keeper” and another two which also have nodes and subnodes in editor pane. They are just as fast as Cherrytree and much more configurable with lots more settings.

    Cherrytree has auto-tab and auto indent inheritance but does not do more comprehensive listing, bulleting etc options as many others in this class. NVM noes or subnodes! Import export is also not working with most standard formats used in this class, outliners etc etc as I said in another thread.

    One tip, I learned when I was using Cherrytree a lot more before: regularly copy and backup your files manually to another folder, when it thrashes the file yo uwill be glad. Also passwords make the file corruption much more prevalent.

    Good luck.

    #124170

    Sisyfos
    Member

    So glad you found something that fits your bill. Good luck. I am sticking with CT. As far as backups go, it is always a good idea to backup your files regardless of which program you use (CT has never trashed any of my files btw).
    /Sisyfos

    #124175

    washere
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    Thanks for your comment Sisyfos,

    If you had read my comments here, you see I use tens of apps,wares etc on Win/Android/Mac/Linux. Horses for courses. I still use CT but it is not in my top 5 anymore. I have also tested well over a hundred wares for notes/outlines/code/scripts etc. Most of my 15 or so top faves, which I haven not mentioned on this forum, have dramatically changed in the last few months as new work has been released and/or I have found new ones.

    As to crashing and lost files, 1) it is from my experience and 2) it is from experience of others if you go through posts here and older threads and 3) unfortunately happens more often with CT than any other software in this class in my experience, and apparently those who lost files as seen here too. It is normal as this is well pre release. The several tips I gave will save users and the dev some headache and lost resources. I am sorry if mentioning those tips upset you.

    I am glad you finally managed to download the experimental release. All’s well that ends well 🙂

    Good luck Sisyfos

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